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Ari ζ‘‘ -
Because of my taiwan plans, I decided I should start typing in traditional. Sounds easier than it
is. This bopomofo system is driving me crazy!
So question.
A: is there a traditional pinyin system? Because that would be fantastic.
And B: how does one go about learning bopomofo? I so far was able to get εŒ— from γ„…γ„ŸΛ‡ and
that made me happy, but on the other hand, it feels so tedious and slow. There has to be a
decently fast way to learn this. I guess the most annoying thing is that the sounds of the
bopomofo characters don't correspond to the keys you press. How do you get your brain around this?
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Lu -
There are ways to type traditional using pinyin, I do it all the time (but I always need someone
else to install it for me, so perhaps someone else can tell you how to install this).
For the rest, it's practice, practice, practice. Typing a lot helps, speed improves gradually. I
could type it blind, on a non-bopomofo keyboard, at some point (although not very fast). It might
also help to learn the bopomofo 'alphabet' (bo po mo fo, de te ne le), the keys on the keyboard
are arranged in that order, up to down, left to right.
Good luck!
Ari ζ‘‘ -
Thats good news for me.
I can memorize where stuff is, I'm not worried about that. But I'm having problems typing
practically everything. OK, so I want to type my chinese name, ζ‘‘ιΉι£žγ€‚Logic tells me it
should be: γ„™γ„šγ„₯Λ‹ γ„†γ„œγ„₯ˊγ„₯γ„Ÿ (don't know how to do 1st tone). But none of this works.
Help!
skylee -
Quote:
Because of my taiwan plans, I decided I should start typing in traditional. Sounds easier than it
is. This bopomofo system is driving me crazy!
I type in traditional Chinese using the pinyin input method provided by Windows. I have chosen
δΈ­ζ–‡(PRC) as I have decided that I would like to follow the Mainland pronunciation standard.
Just choose traditional at the language bar to switch from simplified to traditional.
Even if you choose δΈ­ζ–‡(台灣), you can set the settings to ηΎ…ι¦¬ζ‹ΌιŸ³, which as far as I can
see is the same as Hanyu Pinyin (although some pronunciations may be different).
I don't see the need to learn to type using bopomofo system.
Lu -
γ„™γ„šγ„₯Λ‹ should be γ„™γ„€Λ‹. γ„€ is ang, not just ng
γ„†γ„œγ„₯ˊ should be ㄆγ„₯ˊ. Same idea here, γ„₯ is eng, not just ng.
γ„₯γ„Ÿ : that f looks wrong. First tone is not typed or written, you got that right.
You might want to study the rules a bit more and then try typing again, or find a conversion table
(wait, I can do that for you... http://www.library.ucla.edu/eastasian/ctable3.htm, there you go.
If you can't read it, you need to change the encoding).
Skylee: typing bopomofo can come in handy sometimes, at computers that happen not to have pinyin
input, and it looks like it makes good practice for learning the system, it right away shows if
you got it right.
Ari, again, good luck! And don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions.
madizi -
Quote:
A: is there a traditional pinyin system? Because that would be fantastic.
No, and it's the funniest thing in TW. Sometimes you can see very odd transliterations. The
funniest are traffic signs. On one traffic sign you see one transliteration, but on the next one
there is different transliteration of the same name (of city or street).
Lu -
Madizi: that is a great topic, and it sure is a mess here, but I think what the OP meant is: is
there a way to type traditional in (Hanyu) pinyin. I actually don't think the transliteration mess
is related to the type of characters.
(Taiwan does have a kind of semi-default-standard, which is bad Wade-Giles, that is, W-G without
the ' and ", and yi instead of i. But few Taiwanese actually know this system.)
skylee -
Quote:
typing bopomofo can come in handy sometimes, at computers that happen not to have pinyin input,
I know what you mean. When I travel I often come across such computers. And the solution is to use
the on-line typing facilities provided by www.mdbg.net.
PS - It is always good to learn something new. I just don't see the need and I am too lazy to
learn it anyway.
Lu -
Quote:
I just don't see the need
Well, of course, the majority of the people seem to get by just fine without it :-)
But still I think that when in Taiwan, it is useful to learn bopomofo, as it is the most commonly
agreed upon system here to spell out sounds. There are few people in Taiwan who know pinyin or any
other alphabetized system. And if you know the system, typing is not that hard anymore (just takes
time).
And I just thought of something else one'd need it for: if you buy a phone here, chances are it
only types Chinese using bopomofo. Had to look long and hard for one that knows pinyin.
skylee -
Quote:
And I just thought of something else one'd need it for: if you buy a phone here, chances are it
only types Chinese using bopomofo. Had to look long and hard for one that knows pinyin.
Really? I thought they used stroke orders (the 5-key type). Mine (SE810i) supports only stroke
orders input to produce traditional characters (the orders must follow the Taiwan standard,
though). So we do not need any knowledge on bopomofo or hanyu pinyin to input characters to our
mobile phones. As long as we can write it, we can input it. ho ho ho.
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